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11th-Jan-2010 08:34 pm
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What is Trek Reverse Bang?

Trek Reverse Bang is based on startrekbigbang, except here the art comes first. Artists create their art, send in their drafts and authors choose the pieces in a blind claims post. Then the authors write a minimum of 6K words based on the artwork and starting from the 12th of May, the fandom gets a whole bunch of delightful presents.

What are the dates?

Jan 17 Artist & Author signups OPEN
Jan 17-Feb 2 Prompt submissions
Feb 2 Artist signups CLOSE
Mar 25 Author Signups CLOSE
April 1 Artist drafts due
April 2 Submissions viewing post opens
April 3-April 9 Author claims OPEN
May 22 Posting begins

How does this work?

Artists sign up starting January 17th. They can work from their own ideas or choose from a selection of prompts that will be submitted by the fandom at large and have their pieces ready by March 25th. We are changing the rule slightly from last time in that artwork needs to be complete when submissions are due (we have increased the submission period accordingly). If you wish to add/change the artwork because you're inspired by the author's ideas after you've submitted your work, that's fine. And you're welcome to do more than one piece for an author if you have the time or desire to do so. This change is mainly to ensure that all art comes with a story and vice versa, since it is easier to find pinch-hitters to write if an author needs to drop out, but doesn't really work the other way around because of the way the challenge is structured. Note: Fanworks should be TOS or Reboot Universes.

I'm an artist, tell me more?

Your primary responsibility is one piece of art: hand-drawn (digital or traditional)/vids/paintovers etc. No icons or wallpapers. Please keep in mind that it will need to inspire a 6K word story and the more story you build into your work, the cooler the art/fic combination will be, so...brainstorm accordingly? If, after author claims, you wish to create more art, that's more than welcome. Feel free to have it be anything, including the previously nixed icons and wallpapers.

Content-wise, all genres/pairings are accepted, but do keep in mind that we are not asking for pairing preferences for authors in the signups, so the more general you keep your artwork (and that goes for rating too) for the primary piece, the easier it is for author preferences to match up. You will have time to make changes/create new pieces after you have an author, so how much more you wish to do after you submit your initial piece is completely up to you.

I'm an author, more details?

After claiming your artwork(s), you will need to write a story of at least 6K words by the 15th of May. More is excellent, less is not. Please work with your artist to talk through interpretations of the artwork. Do keep in mind that elements in the artwork definitely need to be present in your story. If there is a pairing specifically shown, it cannot just be left out. However, how you choose to work with the specifications will be up to you and your artist.

How do claims work?

We will make a preview post that will be open to all authors for 24 hours before claims open so that everyone can get their preferences in order. Multiple claims are allowed as soon as all artwork is claimed at least once. Sometimes a certain pairing/situation can be closer to an author's preferences than others, but all artwork will need to have an author first before we allow any doubling up.

Do fics need to be beta read?

Yes, they do need to be beta read.

Where do I find a beta?

A post will be made in the comm where people can offer their beta services and authors (and possibly artists) can hook up with a beta for their piece.

Will there be any collaboration after authors claim their pieces?

Yes, we're counting on it! Once all pieces have been claimed, authors and artists will be introduced to each other via a handy little information post and should then get in touch so that the author can get a sense of what the artist had in mind, and the artist can change or create more works with inspiration from the author if they so desire.

I'm an artist, what's up with the prompts post? Do I need to use one?

The prompts are completely optional, they are meant as inspiration for the artist who just needs a tiny push to get going. Whether you choose to use a prompt is completely up to you.

Great! Where do I sign up?

Artists sign up here. Authors sign up here.

What about posting?

Posting starts on the 22nd of May. A posting schedule will be worked up closer to the date, keep an eye out for more details then. For now, keep in mind that even though art for the author claims will be hosted by us since the author claims are blind ones, the final posts will be the responsibilities of the author/artist groups. There will be a master post to the community on the specified date where the artist or author will make a post to the community with a thumbnail and story headers, and link to the art and story on their own journals. Works will not be posted directly on the community. Photobucket is a good hosting resource for artwork. If you need more help, feel free to contact us and we'll work something out.

Anything else?

Membership is moderated, no one other than artists and authors will be allowed to join the community. We do encourage everyone else to watch the comm though!

I have a question/concern/complaint!

Please leave a comment here, or email trekreversebang(at)gmail(dot)com. We will get back to you as soon as possible.

Your mods are:

ileliberte and zippitgood

And finally, we would love to have people spread the word about this challenge, so please feel free to use the image or code below to direct people this way.

13th-Jan-2010 03:28 pm (UTC)
Are comic prompts allowed?
14th-Jan-2010 01:49 am (UTC)
Hi :) I'm not quite sure what you mean? Leaving a prompt for a comic book structure art piece or an image idea based on existing comic book characters/situations? If it's the former, sure. If it's the latter, that's perfectly fine too, but just keep in mind that it might not necessarily be as helpful to too many people if it's very specific with respect to characters since they might not be familiar with that particular comic.
14th-Jan-2010 05:13 am (UTC)
I assume this challenge is for TOS/AOS only but I didn't see anywhere that specified that other than artist/author sign-ups. I don't know if it's necessary to clarify that (it could just be me!) but it was something I noticed when signing up as a beta.
15th-Jan-2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Hi :) Yes, it was kind of an oversight on our part since we just assumed it would be either TOS/AOS given current fannish trends (can you tell I haven't been in Trek fandom for too long?). I'll add it to the FAQ. Thanks for bringing it to our notice!
22nd-Jan-2010 01:18 am (UTC)
Questions -

1. Can artists create multiple pieces of art, not after the story is written, but at the onset?

2. How do authors choose art? Is it through first-come-first-serve, lottery, forty two algorithms?

3. Can you link me to some old reverse bangs (if there are any)?

The reverse bang idea is really neat!
22nd-Jan-2010 02:59 am (UTC)
1. Ideally, we want the claiming process to be 1:1, so that one artist gets one author. However, since we don't know yet how many authors and artists we'll end up with, doing more than one piece might not work out if there are not enough authors as artists. Author signups end March 1, so if you're willing to gamble with it and make a second piece that's substantial enough to be submitted as a draft by March 6th, we will use both pieces as separate claims if it turns out that there are more authors than artists. Do remember that we strongly encourage collaboration between the artists and authors after the author claims, so please pace yourself accordingly.

2. It's a first-claim-first-served system. What we'll be doing is setting up a post on the mod lj locked only to the authors, where we'll have links to all the artwork (without any artist names attached) and then authors will pick a piece that they think would work best with the kind of fic they write. If there are more authors than artists, double claims will be allowed until every author has something to write for. We, the mods, will not be doing any assigning ourselves. No algorithms at all :D

3. I'm afraid I don't really know any completed reverse bangs specifically, but I know there's another comm called pictures2words that's doing the same thing (SPN, Leverage and RPF) and it started before this one, so might have a little more for you to see even if final posts haven't been made there yet. Our inspiration was mainly the various bigbangs themselves, and the SGA comm called artword where teams of authors and artists completed collaborative works according to various different challenge parameters. You might want to check that out too.

Please feel free to ask for clarifications if I was unclear about anything :)
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22nd-Jan-2010 04:25 am (UTC)
Have you pimped this around yet? I remember keeping an eye out for it in the kirk_mccoy community, but I only eventually managed to find it because I also subscribe to the Star Trek newsletter.
22nd-Jan-2010 06:00 am (UTC)
We've tried but we can't get to all the comms. Any help you could provide in advertising would be awesome!
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24th-Jan-2010 12:14 am (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up on startrekpromo. I hit up st_reboot a few days ago. I don't want to spam the comm but I'll post there again when artist sign ups close.

If you could help us advertise the comm in places we haven't reached yet, we'd really love that!
24th-Jan-2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
I do manips, is that acceptable?
24th-Jan-2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Please keep in mind that authors would have to create a 6K word story, so we would want all images to be able to have some kind of narrative possibilities. Just straight up portraiture type manips might not be the best thing for this particular challenge, but if you feel like you have a story in mind for your image and that the manip would have various elements in it to inspire a story beyond just a pairing (and not be rated too high at least for the initial piece), go for it :)
24th-Jan-2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
Sort of expanding on the comic idea asked about earlier, is it alright for an artist to submit several pics that kind of go in order or relate to each other for a single story?

ie: Pic 1: Kirk getting the tar kicked out of him by some ninja alien Jellyfish
Pic 2: McCoy looking pissy with him in sickbay

Or... Pic 1: Random redshirt dies, Pic 2: Kirk looks sad

Something like that...
24th-Jan-2010 09:25 pm (UTC)
If it's comic style, i.e. paneled, clearly arranged in order, that counts as one picture since it's completely related and is meant to be presented together, and we would want the whole thing as one comic strip style image. However, if it's just two separate images of two different scenes, meant for the same story, but not connected via some direct sequence, we would consider those to be separate images and as we mentioned above, they would be made into a collage at a certain size for the claims part of the challenge. Does that make sense?
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29th-Jan-2010 04:26 am (UTC)
Question 1: I know drawing something shippy means it'll be more restrictive for writers, so does this mean we're discouraged from drawing shippy art? (pretty clear on this, but wanted clarification)

Question 2: Are we allowed to enter more than one piece of art?
29th-Jan-2010 05:14 am (UTC)
1. Hmm, discouraged...I guess we just want artists to keep in mind that we are not matching people up during signups ship-to-ship, so there's always the possibility that there might not be enough authors with the same shipping/genre preferences or comfort levels with the specific characters in romantic situations and if the picture is an overtly romantic one it might possibly indicate to authors that the story might have to be a pretty shippy one as well? But ultimately, it's up to you. If you really want your picture to be shippy, go for it.

2. These two threads might be of interest to you: thread 1 and thread 2. If your question wasn't completely covered in the threads, feel free to ask for further clarification :)
1st-Mar-2010 07:10 am (UTC)
1) I live in the UK and will be working on the 10th of March from 10 am to 6 pm. Is there a likelyhood that I will be left with nothing to choose?

I am aware that you have said first come first served and I appreciate this but I really don't want to be left with no story to write as I am really looking forward to this.

2) Is there any possibilty that you could give a minimum word count? I know that you have said that there should be 6k of work but the thing is, I have a working style that means I separate sections of speech text with spaces and that gets counted in to my total for my work. An approximate minimum word count would be a little bit more helpful thanks you.

Edited at 2010-03-01 07:11 am (UTC)
1st-Mar-2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
Hey there :)

1) Everyone will get art to write for. However, since there are more authors than artists, some art pieces will have to do double duty. We'll have a first pass where all the art pieces are claimed, and then once all the art has been claimed, we'll let the authors who hadn't yet been able to claim one before go in and make their choices. Since it's not quite possible to exactly match author and artist numbers for a challenge like this, we figured this was the best way. So ultimately everyone has art and at least one story per piece of art.

2) The 6K is actually the minimum word count. I'm afraid I don't really know how to figure in spaces and give you a space+word count breakup that way, but 6000 words is the minimum we want people to write.
1st-Mar-2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
Eee, so excited! So relieved that I'm actually going to be ready by the due date! ;)

About the matching process: is there any way to indicate artists' pairing/gen preferences, outside of the content of the actual piece? I'm not entirely clear; I know we got to talk a little about our tastes in the artist sign-ups, but since matching is anonymous I assume that stuff won't actually be included.

I definitely don't want to be a restrictive grinch or anything; I just didn't wind up drawing at all what I planned, and now I have no clue what to expect. ;)
1st-Mar-2010 07:11 pm (UTC)
\o/ *needs to get onto her own piece pronto*

What I'm thinking about is, the artwork and a line about pairing preference underneath each piece for the claims post. If the artwork itself is not shippy in any way, the pairing preference line will be an indicator of what the artist might have wanted/been trying to say. I'm afraid, however, we can't really enforce the pairing preference bit at least, given the varying tastes of everyone signed up and since we're still trying to navigate through the difference it makes for art being the primary inspiration rather than a story, but I daresay having both the characters in the art and a pairing preference stated (or any pairing goes stated) would yield mostly satisfactory match-ups *crosses fingers*
1st-Mar-2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
I'm an artist and my question is this:

I know we have more authors than artists (almost ten, or something like that). Now, I have multiple sketches/concepts/partial pieces that I would like to submit- I'm assuming this is fine, since we have extra authors.
But I'm just a little confused on how claiming would work with that, because say there's an instance where people who draw multiple things get claimed before a few people with only single pieces. So, when concept posting happens, should I post all of mine, get claimed once, and then (if necessary) have other people claim pieces once every artist has one work claimed?

I'm probably only willing to finish two or three pieces during the contest time, but even so, I think it would be best if the piece to fic ratio was as close to 1:1 as possible, so I'm totally willing to help with that.

And omg, I am BAD at wording, so if you're confused at my question, please ask xD

Thank you!
11th-Mar-2010 03:15 am (UTC)

6K how many word it is???

i'm spanish speaker so idk the term

11th-Mar-2010 03:15 am (UTC)
It's 6,000 words.
22nd-Mar-2010 05:05 am (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted you to know that I've started up a similar challenge for SGA, [community profile] sgareversebang, and I've kind of borrowed your rules and such. I hope that's ok?
22nd-Mar-2010 01:04 pm (UTC)
Absolutely no problem :) Our idea isn't necessarily unique in itself, even if it's new for the Trek fandom.
19th-May-2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
I contacted my author for our May 24 post date and have yet to hear back from her. If I don't hear by the date, should I post the art or. . . what should I do?
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6th-Aug-2010 01:25 am (UTC)
Whoops, sorry, missed this comment. But to answer your question, yes, we definitely anticipate holding it again :) I'm glad you enjoyed all the works this year, make sure to watch out for next year's signups :D
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